I am seriously thrilled to have Vicky Alvear Shecter visiting with us here today! And I’m even more thrilled that she’s still speaking to me. Because I asked her all sorts of questions about her latest book, Cleopatra Rules! The Amazing Life of the Original Teen Queen over at Finders & Keepers. Then I sorta badgered her to come over here and talk about writing non-fiction. And then I kinda suggested she give away something to help my writer friends.
Vicky’s a bit of a history buff. Which is like saying The Beatles were a bit of a band. But Vicky’s not your typical dry, history writer. Her brand of story telling is witty, contemporary, and very kid friendly.
So here’s my first question: Was it harder or easier for you to sell a history book with such an irreverent style?
Harder! Not everyone is comfortable with my approach although, surprisingly, the folks who seem to like it the most are classicists. They “get it” that these are real stories about real people and they appreciate the attempt at making it more lively for kids.
In order to sell this approach, I had to make sure (as I say in your other interview) that my research was unimpeachable. I used primary sources wherever possible and had four esteemed researchers/professors vet the book for accuracy.
One reviewer said the voice in the book sounded like it was written for a teen blog. I think this person may have meant this as an insult but my response was—YES! That was exactly what I was going for!
The way I figure it, it is our responsibility to get kids excited about history, to ignite their fascination with this other world that still resonates in ours. With so many tech distractions, we have to grab ‘em early. There is plenty of time, later in high school and in college, to get all formal and stuffy. I just wanted to capture their interest and imagination.
The slang and humor in your book make it such a fun read—I almost forgot I was reading history! But as you mentioned, those endnotes were stuffed with impressive research. How does a writer find “unimpeachable” references and resources? And how do you talk people into being so helpful/generous if you haven’t sold the book yet?
As with most history books, I sought out primary sources where possible. What is so interesting, though, is that the only records we have of Cleo were written by Romans, who hated her. They had a vested interest in making her look bad in order to justify an illegal war against her.
So in addition to reading the Roman sources, it was important to read the works of academics and scholars who parsed out the political motivations behind the way Cleopatra was portrayed. So I read tons of secondary sources too in order to create a fuller picture.
The first person to read the book for me was a classicist at Emory University (Dr. Katrina Dickson) who vetted it for me before I even submitted it. My editor, Larry Rosler at Boyds Mill Press, later sent the manuscript to two experts in London—classicist Dr. Dorothy King and Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly.
When I integrated all of their (thankfully minor) changes, I still felt that it would be useful to have a Cleo expert bless it. So we went to Dr. Prudence Jones, a professor at Montclair University and author of several works and films on Cleopatra, to give it a final once-over. She was gracious and helpful and turned the book around for us (it was already in layout form) very quickly. In fact, all of the experts who looked at the book were extraordinarily kind and helpful!
Wow. That’s a lot of work! But I’m sure it was helpful in your next project. I know you’ve got a YA fiction book based on Cleopatra’s daughter coming out in the fall of this year. What was the impetus for switching from non-fiction to fiction? And how difficult was the switch, in writing style and tone?
The impetus was that I was absolutely floored that no one seemed to even know that Cleopatra had a daughter and that she was the only one of her four children to survive into adulthood.
I mean, we’re talking the daughter of Cleopatra and Mark Antony! Can you imagine what it must have been like to live under the shadow of such a powerful mother? It seems like it was a classic YA story ready to happen—a story of survival and a young woman’s determination to carve her own identity in history.
The writing style and tone is VERY different in the novel. So different, that sometimes I wonder if I should’ve used a pseudonym. If people expect Cleopatra’s Moon, to be light and funny like my nonfiction books, they will be very surprised. In a good way, I hope.
Sounds very mysterious and very good! Maybe you can come back and dish some more with us? Oh! Wait! I also wanted to ask you about all those photos in the book. I’ve always wondered how an author gets permission for artwork and photos to be used in a non-fiction work?
Many of the photos were public domain photos. For those that weren’t, I had to get in touch with the photographer and ask permission (in writing of course). In other cases, we had to pay for the right to use them, usually with museum artifacts.
And as if answering TONS of questions wasn’t enough, I begged Vicky to bring a photo or two from her collection and share her funny captions. She does an occasional blog post called Photo Funnies that completely cracks me up. ‘Cause who doesn’t think men in skirts are HI-larious? (Well, besides the Scots)
“You mean we play this game with no hands? I thought you said no pants!”
Now, zip over to her blog, History with a Twist and follow Vicky. You’ll laugh some, and you’ll go “ewwww” occasionally, but you’ll end up scathingly brilliant! And you might even end up with a free critique! Vicky’s agreed to critique the first ten pages of a fiction or non-fiction manuscript for one lucky follower. Just let me know if you signed on to follow her at her blog, Facebook or Twitter. I’ll put your name in the drawing for each connection. And on Monday, I’ll draw a name and make your Valentine’s Day even sweeter!
P.S. If you want to know more about Cleopatra, and maybe win Cleopatra Rules!, zip over to Finders & Keepers and leave a comment. It’s that easy.
Thank you SO much for sharing your writing insights today, Vicky! Um, you are still speaking to me, right?
LOL! However, I’ve had to put my fingers on ice since I had to type so much!
Thanks for featuring me, Cathy! You rock!
Why, thank you, Vicky! You're pretty awesome yourself! 😉
You've got me interested. I like history, didn't know Cleo had a daughter but will watch for her story.
Sally, that's EXACTLY what Vicky said in her post at Finders and Keepers when I asked what people were most surprised about! Not only did Cleo have a daughter, she also had THREE boys!
Me! Me! Pick Me! I would L.O.V.E. a critique by the fabulous Vicky Alvear Shecter! I'm following on Twitter AND FaceBook. Great interview, btw. Looking forward to Cleopatra’s Moon!
Tanya, I'll certainly let random.org know how connected you are! 😉
I am on Facebook with Vicky, so I see her posts out there. I read many of them, but I don't know if I'm signed up or not for her blog.Even though I don't read many history books, I enjoy reading many of Vicky's articles.
Patricia, if you try to sign up for her blog, Blogger will tell you if you're already a follower. I think. But I'll double check!And yes, Vicky's articles are wonderful!
I've been focusing on "write a novel" but I'm beginning to think that nonfiction is really the path I should follow. I would love to have Vicky critique my work.
Oh, PS I signed up for Vicky's blog.webbJM AT verizon DOT net
Can't wait to read "Cleopatra Rules." I'm signed up to follow Vicky on Twitter, so enter me – enter me – to win the critique!
I signed on to follow her on her site. I already follow her on facebook and twitter. So tell that random thing that I really want the critique.
Fascinating interview–questions and answers. Your enthusiasm is contagious!Isn't it wonderful how generous teachers,writers and historians were with their time on your project? Fantastic!Oh, and I had no idea Cleopatra had a daughter. Sorry for the brief comments, but I'm gonna hop right over to check out Vicky's blog, then I'm off to Finders & Keepers, and then I'll let my writing friends know about this amazing information.You both rock!Donna V.http://donnasbookpub.blogspot.com
I know, y'all! I want that critique, too ;-)Donna, I thought the same thing about Vicky's resources-her endnotes read like a "Who's Who" in Egyptology. (Is that a word? If I made it up, it really fits!)I hope non-fiction writers out there realize that many professionals are eager to share their knowledge. All you have to do is ask (nicely, of course).
Ooh, would love a critique! Great interview. Cleopatra's such a fascinating historical figure! I'm following her blog and on Facebook, too!
You will LOVE her book, Krysten! But I'm so glad you're following her. She has the most fascinating stuff at that blog of hers.(Good luck!)
Wow, sounds like a great book. I love how she's making reading history fun!!
Hi Vicky & Cathy C. Fun interview. Interesting perspective–Cleopatra's daughter as a teenager. Egyptian history has always been fascinating to me. I remember reading about them in our encyclopedia when I was nine and I didn't think it was fair that people who lived so long ago could create such beautiful art, and I, living in a much more advanced (hah!) civilization, couldn't get much beyond stick figures! I'll definitely look for the book!
Well done, Cathy – you and Vicky in the same virtual room are quite a pair! I love this book and know that many young readers will appreciate its unconventional approach. Of course, Vicky's research is second-to-none – look under her fingernails; I'll bet you find Egyptian dirt!
Jennifer and Clara, you can try to win Vicky's book if you scoot over to Finders & Keepers and leave a comment. And Robyn, now I'm gonna worry. Vicky washes her hands, right? 😉
Enjoyed the interview. I only write non-fiction(think Erma Bombeck) because, as I tell my writer friends, I'm not a good liar. Plus I have eight grandkids who make wonderful subjects. Would love a free critique by a famous non-fiction, funny writer.
Great interview, and something else to load onto my Kindle. AND I have to visit Vicky and follow. Gonna go do it. Right now.
Alice, did you go follow Vicky? And you, too, Lisa? I know Vicky appreciates your support and all the kind words. And P.S. I had to think up those great questions, you know. ;-)Thanks, y'all and good luck!
Great interview, Cathy! Never can get too much of that Vicky woman:-)
Exactly, Gail! Thanks for stopping by!
This interview was so interesting. I hope that Vicky can get her fingers off of ice so she can write some more books. 🙂 Margohttp://margodill.com/blog/
I'm officially a follower of Vicky's blog now, so sign me up for the contest! Thanks again for a great interview. History is so fascinating. I love knowing that we'll never scratch the surface on all the true stories out there!